Using the bond to accept for value on loans, what is the process

Hi all

I am in a bind now with a car loan and mortgage I can no longer pay. What am interested in finding out is can we accept for value a bill from the bank and have it settled by our National Insurance bond (PPS, PRSI No.). I also want to find out if we first need to claim jurisdiction over the bond first and/or set up our own bond to carry out this process; or can we do it without going through that process

btw, I had the bank here at my home today to take voluntary surrender of the car, I gained a few days grace to see what I could do in this approach. However the first thing he asked me before he even came into the house was "Are you Joe Bloggs" so that I would contract with him. However he was very helpful in that he said he would talk to me soon and go through exactly what correspondence I might require

I am wondering is the fact that bank car loans are basically hire purchase agreements, going to affect this.

Cheers

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hi Door32
have you read the threads on this forum with the notices to banks requiring them to provide proof your loan?
do you know that the loans you took out was money you created with your signature?
go check out the threads in the freeman threads
chris :)
I have but it seems to concentrate on credit card debt which is understandable. Whereas with a car loan the money is transfered to a car dealer and the ownership of the car, like a house retained by the bank in the lending agreement so there is a difference.
These threads are concentrating on building up a debt and then defaulting. I would rather play the system not confront it, by paying debts using the bond to which I am the beneficiary due to my birth cert and PPS number. That way everyone is happy and we can work withing the system of commerce

Christopher said:
hi Door32
have you read the threads on this forum with the notices to banks requiring them to provide proof your loan?
do you know that the loans you took out was money you created with your signature?
go check out the threads in the freeman threads
chris :)
Sounds alot like the info in Mary Crofts book, have you read it yet? Im not all the way through it but she talks about accepting for value and the setting off the debt via correspondence with IRS using various tax forms to claim back cash as an alternative to confronting every commercial institution. She hasnt specified whether you need to take control of your bond before attempting this though.
I can only assume that it is the same here but instead we would be in touch with revenue, so I guess its just a matter of finding out which forms to use. Anyone know any more on this?


Door32 said:
I have but it seems to concentrate on credit card debt which is understandable. Whereas with a car loan the money is transfered to a car dealer and the ownership of the car, like a house retained by the bank in the lending agreement so there is a difference.
These threads are concentrating on building up a debt and then defaulting. I would rather play the system not confront it, by paying debts using the bond to which I am the beneficiary due to my birth cert and PPS number. That way everyone is happy and we can work withing the system of commerce
Yeah I have watched Winston Shrout and he doesn't make that clear either. I am guessing that if our signature has the power to create money now it shouldn't mean we have to take control of the bond to offset as long as the offset is reasonable for our maintainenece. A home, transport, heat, health, food etc
I would agree with you there but its still not made very clear how to do this, I think a lot more research needs to be conducted in this area. I'll keep reading until it makes sense to me!
here you are the state that is why u are the creditor, only the state has the power to create the money which is then loaned out to these banks and what not, the state is made up of the body of people ie you

the bank gives you the loan til the credit as i see it has been transfered so that you can buy your house or car and the bank also charges you a fee, now the banks goes to your treasury where all our wealth is held and offsets the banks accounts againts yours

so whats this mean you loan was paid for already by your credit the back just issued you the money lets just say it already owes plus the charges for working for you

so hence forth all loans no matter what, credit card, car finanace or mortgage have all been paid for when u signed on that dotted line contract and hence forth is called a repayment

you are repaying a laon that has already been paid for and has no bill any longer

ask for these 3 things

proof of bill
proof that they brought anything of value to the table of which they could posssibale loose ie the money in the loan
proof of full desclousure, they never told you it was your signature that created the credit not the bank hence forth why do u owe the bank the credit when its yourself your really owe it too lol

the fact they never gave u full desclosure says it all and created a fraudulent contract making it null and void straight away and cant be enforced to make u pay anymore money

i suggest as carol has read mary croft book

HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN

well worth the read and to me for now the best reading material bar none on the commerce world game and how to play it and not be apart of it, she makes it very clear, its 96 pages of gold to me
That was a really simple yet effective explanation Wolfsmoon, I understand it much better now that you have put it that way. A few more questions however:
Is it really just as simple as asking for the proofs and a bit of letter ping pong?
Are there any prerequisutes you have to consider before attempting this?
Does copyrighting/trademarking your legal fiction and becoming auth representative have anything to do with this?
What time is the radio show on at I will make sure to listen. seems like the idea (sorry not idea, TRUTH) is sound in theory but there is no concrete solution at the moment. =(
Well again this is confrontational. I am trying to find out how we instruct the treasury to offset the debt against the bond and what our status must be to enact that. This way everyone is happy and forces of law are never involved

wolfsmoon said:
here you are the state that is why u are the creditor, only the state has the power to create the money which is then loaned out to these banks and what not, the state is made up of the body of people ie you

the bank gives you the loan til the credit as i see it has been transfered so that you can buy your house or car and the bank also charges you a fee, now the banks goes to your treasury where all our wealth is held and offsets the banks accounts againts yours

so whats this mean you loan was paid for already by your credit the back just issued you the money lets just say it already owes plus the charges for working for you

so hence forth all loans no matter what, credit card, car finanace or mortgage have all been paid for when u signed on that dotted line contract and hence forth is called a repayment

you are repaying a laon that has already been paid for and has no bill any longer

ask for these 3 things

proof of bill
proof that they brought anything of value to the table of which they could posssibale loose ie the money in the loan
proof of full desclousure, they never told you it was your signature that created the credit not the bank hence forth why do u owe the bank the credit when its yourself your really owe it too lol

the fact they never gave u full desclosure says it all and created a fraudulent contract making it null and void straight away and cant be enforced to make u pay anymore money

i suggest as carol has read mary croft book

HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN

well worth the read and to me for now the best reading material bar none on the commerce world game and how to play it and not be apart of it, she makes it very clear, its 96 pages of gold to me
i am trying to find out door 32 how it turned out.
Well 2 years down the line of not paying for house and car and I still have them somehow. I am meeting the mortgage company soon to try and arrange a discharge quietly without paperwork to give them denyability. We shall see if they take the offer otherwise I will be using the contract method starting tis summer. As far as car goes they need my permission apparently to take posession of it. they stole it one day but have had to promise to give it back now because I didn't sign a release. So I will offer them the same deal as the mortgage. Will keep you updated when I have news
Give Darrell O Dea a call his mob. number is in his book Blank of Ireland....also Vin on the sister site TNS Radio has good knowledge regarding cars skype him on vincenttemp1
always better talking than typing

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