Indeed, studying the
history of the IRA (Irish Republican Army) is both

interesting and revealing. It is a study that has, in the end, less to do with politics and
more to do with secret orders and hidden agendas. The
persistent student eventually becomes aware that, from the earliest
times, some of the most notorious and conspicuous founders and leaders of the major
Irish rebel bodies were in fact counter-revolutionaries.
They were agents of the British
establishment. There is evidence to show that this was
almost certainly the case with the infamous James
Stephens (IRB),
John O'Mahony (Fenian
Brotherhood), and

P. J. Tynan (Invincibles). In our opinion, nothing has
changed. We believe that the insidious ploy is still in
effect today. Men of this sort, positioned as they
were in senior positions of Irish rebel
organizations, were not interested in freeing the Irish
people. They worked for the contrary purpose, and were,
we believe, instructed to make sure that authentic
revolutionary movements did not rise to successfully
threaten the British establishment or imperial status quo. In our opinion, they were supremely
successful. It is our contention that many leaders of
terrorist cells throughout the world - be they of the
political "left" or "right" - are, in fact, expert
fifth columnists
, funded and instructed by agents of
British Intelligence. Some recent examples are F. W.
De-Klerk and Nelson Mandela of South Africa, Boris Yeltsin of Russia, Lech
Walesa of Poland, and Robert Mugabe of Rhodesia. This fact remains
largely unknown to the
masses. It remains unknown to the duped members of the
world's many secret societies and terrorist
movements.

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Very interesting Dave! I have been thinking a good bit about this side of our history lately... A lot of this seems to be saying what I already suspected was true.

Also very interesting question that you have posed to Michael Tsarion. I will be listening intently to see if this is addressed.

Síocháin agus Saoirse,
Ash :)
good post, glad to see people looking into this.

this information has been put on tns before but unfortunately the people who rally around billy mcguire dont seem interested in the history of the irb, or the mcguire family.
billy mcguire says he is head of the irb but there is no information available online giving any information about the irb after 1922.
people have asked are there many members of the irb today, but no answer has been given.
lots of members of tns have raised question about billy mcguire, the irb and their connection to tns but all tns reply is "why dont you ask billy yourself????"

people on this site call billy mcguire the president of eire and harry o reilly the chief justice....... LOL
these men do not represent the people of eire only themselves and their growing cult following thanks to tns

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I wanna second that! and on a different note it reminds of the Che Guevara biography by Jon Lee Anderson where it says that Che wasnt marxist at all (he d been a political activist for years beforehand)until he was converted by a conversation with a shadowy russian guy in Mexico and was converted within the space of 24 hours.
also the boat that got the revolutionaries into Cuba in the first place was funded by 50000 us dollars from the CIA.
Interesting

Just Ash said:
Very interesting Dave! I have been thinking a good bit about this side of our history lately... A lot of this seems to be saying what I already suspected was true.

Also very interesting question that you have posed to Michael Tsarion. I will be listening intently to see if this is addressed.

Síocháin agus Saoirse,
Ash :)
I have spoke to Billy in person. The conclusion I have come to is that either he doesn't actually know the origins of the IRB and is just another pawn or else he is letting on that he doesn't know.

When thinking about it though, if this is now a 'family tradition' of some sort, being handed down threw the McGuire family it is possible that he was never taught or shown any of this information and is infact just as mis-informed as everyone else.

However, the only one that actually knows the answer to that question is Billy...
Glad you were amused by my comment Dave ;)
Maybe I am just being too naive to some people's true nature and intent...
Well i think if we are too lend our energy and efforts to this or anything; I beleive we are entitled to have full disclosure as to what exactly we are getting involved in.
.......our history is full of spys,traitors and rats its a sad owl state of affairs... theres no denien that fact..this is why we need to ask questions of anyone who says they are for THE PEOPLE how often have we heard that in the past.....at the end of the day we all as sovereigns need to stay true to ourselves after all none of us would be here if we didnt ask questions and seek the truth...
we are equal u me billy are all sovereign he is not our leader or authority but we can learn from him on important issues.....
i like a lot of other people have questions..its been 3 interviews now with billy and no questions in regards to the irb if billy doesnt want to speak about it he should say so then we all know were we stand........he does sound genuine so maybe he can clear this all up...........i wont be holdin me breath but........
Couldn't agree more, I don't and no one should rely on anyone else for their sovereignty, that just goes against the whole concept. And I admire what Billy is doing and for bringing the concept and the importance of national sovereignty to the fore. We were most cetainly on that path before Billy came along with his invaluable information about the sovereign seal and the soveriegnty of the nation imparticular but he has added an important and historical aspect to what we were discovering that sealed (no pun intented ;-) a lot of concepts that were being discussed at the time. The thing is, none of us would be where we are now if we didn't ask questions and enquire and I would like to know more. It's intriguing and is leading many to have a fuller understanding of their nations heritage. We have been finding out some very interesting things about the history of this land, which of course influence the present day in a big way. Is it wrong to want to know more to try and figure out what really happened on this sacred land. Questioning the origins of the IRB (or the other republican or even protestant orders in Ireland) shouldn't be considered to be questioning the integrity of Billy the man. I agree with Dave, I want to know the true history of this coutry so we can better understand today.

On that aside Dave, the Freemasons themselves say that they aren't really a secret society, anyone can join. They are a self expressed 'society with secrets' perhaps this loophole allows the Gaurds to join without contravening their oaths: "will not subscribe to any secret society whatsover etc" ?
again the questions will be posted for the benefit of those who have not read/considered them already....

are the irb still active today?
do the irb have membership today?
are the irb a secret fraternity?
is billy mcguire the president of irb?
how did billy become president of irb?
is the mcguire family still connected to the templars?
how did billy mcguire become president of eire?
is he a self- appointed president of eire?
how did Anrai O'Raghallaigh become chief justice of eire?
is Anrai O'Raghallaigh a self appointed chief justice?
what makes these men think they have the power to appoint themselves to these positions?
do they really think the population will support them when most dont even know who they are?

do people not think it strange that somebody just starts calling themselves president of eire, and the man who calls himself chief justice has no idea how they came to their positions?

these questions have been asked many times by many members of tns but no clear answers have been given, it would clear up a lot if the questions were just answered clearly without doublespreak
who is behind the president if the irb??
who are its members and how many are there??what are there intentions??
are they irish whats there background??
when was the irb founded??by who??were??dates....
what is the supreme council??
how does someone become a member??
why come out now with this info now and not 5 10 15 20 years ago??
did the irb recruit volinteers to fight on there behalf??
were have they been till now??
when did they disarm??

apparently all the info out there on the net in books etc is false and misleading its now up to the irb to but the record straight what are the facts.....
is whats written about the irb in the book englands greatest spy true or false??
do they take an oath??if so what is the oath??

NCRTS said:
who is behind the president if the irb??
who are its members and how many are there??what are there intentions??
are they irish whats there background??
when was the irb founded??by who??were??dates....
what is the supreme council??
how does someone become a member??
why come out now with this info now and not 5 10 15 20 years ago??
did the irb recruit volinteers to fight on there behalf??
were have they been till now??
when did they disarm??

apparently all the info out there on the net in books etc is false and misleading its now up to the irb to but the record straight what are the facts.....
where did you get this from?

David said:
The oath of the IRB?

I, AB., do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, that I will do my utmost, at every risk, while life lasts, to make Ireland an independent Democratic Republic; that I will yield implicit obedience, in all things not contrary to the law of God to the commands of my superior officers; and that I shall preserve inviolable secrecy regarding all the transactions of this secret society that may be confided in me. So help me God! Amen.

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